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ObamaCare

Postby Babba on Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:39 pm

This is essentially what he president is proposing. It's basically the Senate bill but with these changes:

* Eliminating the Nebraska FMAP provision and providing significant additional Federal financing to all States for the expansion of Medicaid;
* Closing the Medicare prescription drug “donut hole” coverage gap;
* Strengthening the Senate bill’s provisions that make insurance affordable for individuals and families;
* Strengthening the provisions to fight fraud, waste, and abuse in Medicare and Medicaid;
* Increasing the threshold for the excise tax on the most expensive health plans from $23,000 for a family plan to $27,500 and starting it in 2018 for all plans;
* Improving insurance protections for consumers and creating a new Health Insurance Rate Authority to provide Federal assistance and oversight to States in conducting reviews of unreasonable rate increases and other unfair practices of insurance plans.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-m ... w/overview

I'm underwhelmed. Closing the donut hole is good. Making health insurance more affordable is fine, but affordable is all quite relative. Fighting fraud, waste and abuse is good. That shouldn't be a special thing though, it should be done all the time. Increasing the threshold for the excise tax is all well and good. It's more likely that only the fairly wealthy will be paying the tax. That last point is the weakest of all. I'd like to see more teeth in that. Of course, wingnuts will go looney because anything Obama does is Socialist. :roll: They really need to look up the definition of Socialism. The only thing I can do at this point is hope that, as some have suggested, this a foot in the door to real health care reform.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby RedstateBlues on Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:17 pm

A public option would be nice and eliminating the anti-trust exemption should be in there.

And again, the Republicans are going to demand things, and whatever they demand would be negotiable if only we had something to negotiate with, we need to be putting more shit on the table that we don't necessarily care if we get.

Why do we keep starting with no wiggle room everytime? I really don't get that.

Ask for single payer, settle for a public option. There - all done. This is difficult to figure out? :tard:
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby DrJohn on Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:31 am

Wow... another plan that y'all hate.

I'm shocked, shocked, I tell ya!
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby Babba on Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:43 am

DrJohn wrote:Wow... another plan that y'all hate.

I'm shocked, shocked, I tell ya!


I didn't say I hate it. There are good things in it. I just don't think it goes far enough. Besides, I thought you had given up on any good health care reform without the PO.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby RedstateBlues on Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:04 pm

Is the individual mandate still in there?
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby Babba on Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:07 pm

RedstateBlues wrote:Is the individual mandate still in there?


Yes, I believe so.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby DrJohn on Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:13 pm

Babba wrote:
DrJohn wrote:Wow... another plan that y'all hate.

I'm shocked, shocked, I tell ya!


I didn't say I hate it. There are good things in it. I just don't think it goes far enough. Besides, I thought you had given up on any good health care reform without the PO.


I have.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby ackdack on Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:47 pm

I'm underwhelmed.

There are good things in it. I just don't think it goes far enough.

A public option would be nice and eliminating the anti-trust exemption should be in there.

Agreed. More infuriatingly,whatever plan is passed won't take effect until what? 2014? WTF? Yeah,gov't can be slow but come on. :roll:
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby greensthings on Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:22 am

Received this email this morning, won't you sign too?

This week, President Obama gave Republicans one final chance, and the verdict is in: Bipartisanship on health care is dead.

No Republicans will vote for health care reform. The only question now is whether Democrats will push for a good, popular bill with a public option -- or keep pushing a wildly unpopular bill in blind pursuit of "bipartisanship."

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Re: ObamaCare

Postby CookieParker on Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:50 am

What's scary for me and reminescent of Bush corporate fascism is the big give away to the health insurance companies in the form of giving them money when the people can't afford their rates. I want public option..and lower the rates for all. Otherwise, we just fail.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby WandaTheFaye on Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:29 am

I have heard the rantings and ravings against "socialized health care," "Obamacare," and the like and this is what happened yesterday at my university....

I listened today as some guy at my university, wearing some super-religious t-shirt, railed against the health care reform bill that just became law today. He ranted and raved about "Obamacare" and how we're becoming this socialist country instead of the god-fearing nation our for-fathers intended us to be. when he finally took a breath, I asked him:
"so when did you first realize that you were an atheist?'
Dumbfounded, he emphatically stated that he was NOT any such thing! So I asked him to clarify something for me. Didn't his religion tell him to follow the example of Jesus? "Yes!" he answered.

Then I asked him how many times does the Bible talk about Jesus turning away someone who came to him to be healed because they didn't have health insurance? How many people did he refuse to help because they were of different ethnicity or political stripe? How much does the Bible say that Jesus charged for his "services?"
He sputtered and very adamantly stated that Jesus never charged ANYTHING because he was divine.
Well, that's not quite so, i pointed out. Jesus instructed his disciples to go about preaching his word, healing the sick, casting out demons (likely from those with seizure disorders) and blessing the children and then that each town (as a whole) would be responsible for providing them with a play to stay and food in return. Notice he didn't say one individual should pay for their room and board but the whole town.
So, doesn't that sound a bit like Jesus advocated socialism as you've been defining it today?

He didn't have much to say. If you're going to claim a faith whose main star promoted socialistic behavior, don't you have the obligation to embrace such things as health care for everyone even if you have to chip in?

You see, I asked about the atheism angle because, although I personally do think we should help each other, I wouldn't expect a non-believer to pattern his or her life after the historical figure of Jesus as ardently as a believer should.


Honestly, if these uber Christians who claim we live in a "Christian Nation" wanted to keep from looking like such hypocrites, they should have been pushing for single-payer from the start.
So to all of you who claim Christianity as your belief of choice, think about it and keep in mind.....WWJC? (what would Jesus charge?)
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby Babba on Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:36 am

WandaTheFaye wrote:I have heard the rantings and ravings against "socialized health care," "Obamacare," and the like and this is what happened yesterday at my university....

I listened today as some guy at my university, wearing some super-religious t-shirt, railed against the health care reform bill that just became law today. He ranted and raved about "Obamacare" and how we're becoming this socialist country instead of the god-fearing nation our for-fathers intended us to be. when he finally took a breath, I asked him:
"so when did you first realize that you were an atheist?'
Dumbfounded, he emphatically stated that he was NOT any such thing! So I asked him to clarify something for me. Didn't his religion tell him to follow the example of Jesus? "Yes!" he answered.

Then I asked him how many times does the Bible talk about Jesus turning away someone who came to him to be healed because they didn't have health insurance? How many people did he refuse to help because they were of different ethnicity or political stripe? How much does the Bible say that Jesus charged for his "services?"
He sputtered and very adamantly stated that Jesus never charged ANYTHING because he was divine.
Well, that's not quite so, i pointed out. Jesus instructed his disciples to go about preaching his word, healing the sick, casting out demons (likely from those with seizure disorders) and blessing the children and then that each town (as a whole) would be responsible for providing them with a play to stay and food in return. Notice he didn't say one individual should pay for their room and board but the whole town.
So, doesn't that sound a bit like Jesus advocated socialism as you've been defining it today?

He didn't have much to say. If you're going to claim a faith whose main star promoted socialistic behavior, don't you have the obligation to embrace such things as health care for everyone even if you have to chip in?

You see, I asked about the atheism angle because, although I personally do think we should help each other, I wouldn't expect a non-believer to pattern his or her life after the historical figure of Jesus as ardently as a believer should.


Honestly, if these uber Christians who claim we live in a "Christian Nation" wanted to keep from looking like such hypocrites, they should have been pushing for single-payer from the start.
So to all of you who claim Christianity as your belief of choice, think about it and keep in mind.....WWJC? (what would Jesus charge?)


I'm glad you confronted that young man. Unfortunately, many of the "Christian" churches today preach that if you're doing well financially it's because God is smiling on you. If you're poor it's because you're immoral. Maybe you've made him think, though.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby WandaTheFaye on Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:52 am

I'm glad you confronted that young man. Unfortunately, many of the "Christian" churches today preach that if you're doing well financially it's because God is smiling on you. If you're poor it's because you're immoral. Maybe you've made him think, though.



It certainly sobered him up and quieted him down. I just don't see how anyone can take these people seriously. You either support something or you don't. And if you're going to keep on throwing your "loving god" in my face, be sure that you are actually practicing what you're preaching.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby Babba on Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:59 am

WandaTheFaye wrote:
I'm glad you confronted that young man. Unfortunately, many of the "Christian" churches today preach that if you're doing well financially it's because God is smiling on you. If you're poor it's because you're immoral. Maybe you've made him think, though.



It certainly sobered him up and quieted him down. I just don't see how anyone can take these people seriously. You either support something or you don't. And if you're going to keep on throwing your "loving god" in my face, be sure that you are actually practicing what you're preaching.


Well, you certainly know Bible which helps. I suspect that young man has been spending most of his time reading the Old Testament. As many of them do.
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