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What Do Teabaggers See in Palin?

Postby Babba on Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:34 pm

With regard to Mrs Palin. This was my first time hearing her speak in person and that was somewhat enlightening. She is definitely one of those politicians with charisma. She has it, whatever it is, and people respond accordingly. It was a dramatic contrast to seeing her on television. In interviews with non-Fox journalists, Mrs Palin has floundered dramatically, and accordingly has started to avoid the "liberal media" she often derides. But she was much more sure-footed in front of an adoring crowd.

Consider the ramifications for the body politic. The people who like Mrs Palin see her at her best. Many of the people in the Texas crowd were toting copies Going Rogue, and talking about her speech the day before in Nashville. They're not dwelling on the Katie Couric clips, which to them are old news. The people who loathe Sarah Palin, of course, aren't watching her stump at conservative rallies. So not only do they continue to think she's a loon, they can't understand why a third of the country thinks she's a reasonable person. This is how polarisation happens.


She does seem to have charisma. But I expect much more from a politician before I'm willing to vote for them. About a 1/3 of the population loves her, though. And about 40% of all Americans have a favorable view of her. That's kinda frightening. The thing is she avoids situations where she would be "grilled". Obama has been interviewed on FauxNews. Can you imagine Palin agreeing to be interviewed on MSNBC? I can't. But if she doesn't appear on MSNBC, CNN, etc., can she run for national public office like the presidency?

Eventually, though, the problem is Mrs Palin's. Politics is intrinsically adversarial and successful politicians have to know how to win an argument. Although Mrs Palin often attacks other politicians and says that her policies would be better than theirs, she doesn't welcome debate, and her preferred oppositional strategy is abrupt withdrawal. Think about the resignation from the Oil & Gas commission and from the statehouse, or her choice to "go rogue" rather than convince the McCain campaign of the merits of her approach. That's how you get 30% of the vote, not 51%. And it goes without saying that it wouldn't be an effective way to govern.


What worries me is that 40% that approve of Palin may well find it perfectly acceptable if she was running for president and avoided most news outlets except for FauxNews because they'll figure it's because the MSM is against her and won't treat her fairly.

Just a thought I've had the past couple of days....

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Re: What Do Teabaggers See in Palin?

Postby RedstateBlues on Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:56 pm

She wouldn't survive a campaign. And since Todd's "co-governorship" in Alaska would become an issue, she'd self destruct over "leave my family aloooone!!"

She does okay speaking from a prepared speech that is just about pushing buttons with snark, with a friendly audience and no unexpected questions.

Then she has to go. :razz:

There's no way she could hold up to the scrutiny and the rigor of a full-length presidential campaign.
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Re: What Do Teabaggers See in Palin?

Postby Babba on Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:06 pm

RedstateBlues wrote:She wouldn't survive a campaign. And since Todd's "co-governorship" in Alaska would become an issue, she'd self destruct over "leave my family aloooone!!"

She does okay speaking from a prepared speech that is just about pushing buttons with snark, with a friendly audience and no unexpected questions.

Then she has to go. :razz:

There's no way she could hold up to the scrutiny and the rigor of a full-length presidential campaign.


Don't you think that there's a chance that a fairly large number of people will go along with her if she says she won't allow any of the "gotcha" journalists to interview her? And any accusations that are hurled at her about quitting will be deflected and that a lot of people won't be alarmed at Todd's "co-governorship"?

I don't know. She may be able to get away with all of that. So far, she has to a surprising extent.

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Re: What Do Teabaggers See in Palin?

Postby Doodles on Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:31 pm

Well, maybe they like her because she's mean-spirited and simple-minded....just like them.
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Re: What Do Teabaggers See in Palin?

Postby greensthings on Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:35 pm

This woman would have no hesitation whatsoever to kill thousands and thousands of innocent people for her ambitions - probably because "God told her to do so".

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Re: What Do Teabaggers See in Palin?

Postby greensthings on Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:37 pm

Doodles wrote:Well, maybe they like her because she's mean-spirited and simple-minded....just like them.

She is a moronic, mean girl all right!
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Re: What Do Teabaggers See in Palin?

Postby Doodles on Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:40 pm

greensthings wrote:This woman would have no hesitation whatsoever to kill thousands and thousands of innocent people for her ambitions - probably because "God told her to do so".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G8RrZlw ... r_embedded

She gets scarier by the day...this lady is loony tunes dangerous.
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Re: What Do Teabaggers See in Palin?

Postby Caro on Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:14 pm

Doodles wrote:Well, maybe they like her because she's mean-spirited and simple-minded....just like them.

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Re: What Do Teabaggers See in Palin?

Postby greensthings on Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:15 pm

http://syrin.vox.com/library/posts/page/1/
From the "Be careful what you wish for" file

For months we've seen progressive bloggers snarking about how the Republicans should "Please, please, PLEASE nominate Sarah Palin!" -- as if it were a shoo-in that Barack Obama would clean her clock in a head-to-head matchup.

Now Americans are pretty damn stupid and short-sighted. They'd have to be in order to give a shiny bauble like Sarah Palin any credibility as a potential Leader of the Free World when she sounds like that Miss South Carolina contestant who babbled about how the Iraqis don't have maps. They'd have to be in order to call a woman who's been associated with a secessionist group a patriot.

Sarah Palin revealed to the world that she cannot even remember what her own top priorities or beliefs are without writing them on her palm. Is that truly what the Conservatives, Republicans or even the opposition is ready to call a potential candidate?

Imagine someone who is devoid of intellect and has no moral compass to guide a reasonable debate running for political office. You don't have to imagine, she is upon us. In other words, try reasoning with an unreasonable, unscrupulous individual. Anybody who cares about their personal integrity and reputation is forced to back down from such a confrontation. Especially with this perfidious woman Sarah Palin.

So she's an apocalyptic theocratic nutjob. What does that matter? She's pretty, she gives the men of cable news something to look at, and she's a "hockey mom." Isn't that all that matters? When we live in a dangerous world, and have an economic catastrophe here at home, and the ice caps are melting and nobody cares, why NOT elect an incurious halfbaked Alaskan who seems to care more about attention than actually doing anything?

This is executive experience? I've twice read her resignation speech — rambling, inconsistent and at times incoherent. In it, she blames the mainstream media for her problems. Of course, this is the same media that turned an obscure governor into a household name. Palin is walking away from Alaska politics, but the question is, for how long is she walking off into the sunset?

No, I'm not crazy, but I do understand feeling that I was born into a world of people and now I live in a kennel of mad dogs. And while America may deserve Sarah Palin, it's too bad the sane among us are going to have to go along for the ride. I know what to expect from the unwashed masses ie:conservative base, but I sure hope that the Democrats and independents will be careful for what they wish for the rest of us
Thought you all would like this. Syrin is from Wassilla Alaska and has some insider knowledge of the Palins...
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Re: What Do Teabaggers See in Palin?

Postby Doodles on Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:59 pm

She's a cunning, delusional, egotistical fraud...who happens to be physically attractive. That there is so much attention paid to her and so many people stupid enough to fall for it (the fraud) is what's so disturbing.
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Re: What Do Teabaggers See in Palin?

Postby RedstateBlues on Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:49 am

Babba wrote:
RedstateBlues wrote:
Don't you think that there's a chance that a fairly large number of people will go along with her if she says she won't allow any of the "gotcha" journalists to interview her? And any accusations that are hurled at her about quitting will be deflected and that a lot of people won't be alarmed at Todd's "co-governorship"?

I don't know. She may be able to get away with all of that. So far, she has to a surprising extent.

Never forget that Shrub got a second term.


All the more reason she'll never be a candidate. Even though they'll never admit it, even Republicans know Bush was a terrible president.

How many people were at that convention anyway? They keep calling it a "movement" but it's just a small amount of people
who actually think there's going to be a so-called revolution. Not to mention the fact the Republican party itself isn't all that crazy about her.

I think they are going to run Romney.

I think the only reason she's gotten by with what she has is that the media likes the controversy she creates, but if she actually ran for president they would eat her alive. Plus no one who did win a Republican primary would be dumb enough to pick her as VP, she's too much of a scene stealer.
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Re: What Do Teabaggers See in Palin?

Postby Babba on Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:20 am

RedstateBlues wrote:
Babba wrote:
RedstateBlues wrote:
Don't you think that there's a chance that a fairly large number of people will go along with her if she says she won't allow any of the "gotcha" journalists to interview her? And any accusations that are hurled at her about quitting will be deflected and that a lot of people won't be alarmed at Todd's "co-governorship"?

I don't know. She may be able to get away with all of that. So far, she has to a surprising extent.

Never forget that Shrub got a second term.


All the more reason she'll never be a candidate. Even though they'll never admit it, even Republicans know Bush was a terrible president.

How many people were at that convention anyway? They keep calling it a "movement" but it's just a small amount of people
who actually think there's going to be a so-called revolution. Not to mention the fact the Republican party itself isn't all that crazy about her.

I think they are going to run Romney.

I think the only reason she's gotten by with what she has is that the media likes the controversy she creates, but if she actually ran for president they would eat her alive. Plus no one who did win a Republican primary would be dumb enough to pick her as VP, she's too much of a scene stealer.


The attendance at that convention was pathetic. But just because most people aren't big enough fans of hers to pay $300-$500 to hear her speak, that doesn't mean they won't vote for her. The Repub party is in a bad position as far as she's concerned. Their base love her. How will they deal with that? If Palin decides to run for the Repub nomination, she'll probably win. If she runs third party she doesn't have a hope in hell, though. We better hope she runs as an Independent.
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Re: What Do Teabaggers See in Palin?

Postby DrJohn on Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:39 am

Babba wrote:
RedstateBlues wrote:
Babba wrote:
RedstateBlues wrote:
Don't you think that there's a chance that a fairly large number of people will go along with her if she says she won't allow any of the "gotcha" journalists to interview her? And any accusations that are hurled at her about quitting will be deflected and that a lot of people won't be alarmed at Todd's "co-governorship"?

I don't know. She may be able to get away with all of that. So far, she has to a surprising extent.

Never forget that Shrub got a second term.


All the more reason she'll never be a candidate. Even though they'll never admit it, even Republicans know Bush was a terrible president.

How many people were at that convention anyway? They keep calling it a "movement" but it's just a small amount of people
who actually think there's going to be a so-called revolution. Not to mention the fact the Republican party itself isn't all that crazy about her.

I think they are going to run Romney.

I think the only reason she's gotten by with what she has is that the media likes the controversy she creates, but if she actually ran for president they would eat her alive. Plus no one who did win a Republican primary would be dumb enough to pick her as VP, she's too much of a scene stealer.


The attendance at that convention was pathetic. But just because most people aren't big enough fans of hers to pay $300-$500 to hear her speak, that doesn't mean they won't vote for her. The Repub party is in a bad position as far as she's concerned. Their base love her. How will they deal with that? If Palin decides to run for the Repub nomination, she'll probably win. If she runs third party she doesn't have a hope in hell, though. We better hope she runs as an Independent.


No, she won't be nominated as the republican presidential candidate and she won't run as a republican.
She's gonna make it look like she was 'drafted' by some independant group.
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Re: What Do Teabaggers See in Palin?

Postby Caro on Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:04 am

What gets me is that the other Repubicans are scared of her and don't come out and say what a fraud she is. She is the Mean Girl in High School who is a bitch but people let her get away with all kinds of crap. I hope she actually runs for president but she might be too smart for that. Yes, that a contradiction but oh well. Once she runs, she is open to all attacks. The question is if the rest of the Rethugs will actually grow some balls and aactually take her on and expose the fraud that she is. I would love to see a debate with her and Obama though. The no nothing would not even know what to say.
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Re: What Do Teabaggers See in Palin?

Postby Babba on Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:13 am

Caro wrote:What gets me is that the other Repubicans are scared of her and don't come out and say what a fraud she is. She is the Mean Girl in High School who is a bitch but people let her get away with all kinds of crap. I hope she actually runs for president but she might be too smart for that. Yes, that a contradiction but oh well. Once she runs, she is open to all attacks. The question is if the rest of the Rethugs will actually grow some balls and aactually take her on and expose the fraud that she is. I would love to see a debate with her and Obama though. The no nothing would not even know what to say.


Of course Obama would cream Palin in a debate but I'm afraid that a lot of people would interpret that as the media being mean to Palin. We'll see.
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